Basierend auf 450 Bewertungen gefunden auf 2 Websites
Basierend auf 450 Bewertungen gefunden auf 2 Websites
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We ordered through uber eats. It took 1h30min to be delivered 2km away and there was a mistake in the order. Do not order.
Ilia Kebets . 2024-03-21
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We ordered via Uber Eats and we were very disappointed, we called and explained that it was not at all the order we had chosen (very small sizes and monstrous prices) the waiter had nothing to do and did not try to find a solution to our problem. In addition we took the Italian fried mix, 29 CHF for 3 little things that come afterwards... quite frankly it's a steal. We await explanations from this comment.
Eloïse Jan . 2024-03-17
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Unfortunately... Judge for yourself...
Frederik Darbellay . 2024-03-17
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I think I will be better off as soon as there is the terrace, I was very well received, help with the operation of the order, thank you to your new manager.
Lussy . 2024-03-04
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You can tell it’s not the same as in the other « real » Luigias. I ordered a Lasagna, the taste wasn’t too bad but the lasagna was cold on the inside. It tells you everything you need to know.
benjamin 1111 . 2024-02-29
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Not recommendable. The waitress refuses service. You should go to the self-service machines. However, these are only for take-away. If you sit down at a table, a waitress comes and tells you that you are not welcome. The whole thing is very funny. No customer service at all. To eat. Very fat. More like fast food. Plus it's expensive for that.
UnknownOgun . 2024-02-26
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Incredible gluten-free pizza. So good we had a hard time to believe it was gluten free. Saying that after 2yrs of researching every pizzeria in the area! A must visit!
Naama Giladi . 2024-01-28
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I didn't know it was possible to serve such terrible dishes in an Italian restaurant! 21.50 for a small bowl of fried squid, 18.- for a plate of burnt vegetables, 25.- for dry and stuck spaghetti carbonara… I will never go back.
Catherine Monfort . 2024-01-15
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A dish of the day at 29fr for 3 meatballs and a little rice and cauliflower....after a first try where I was served 5 tortellini for 21fr...where is the generous Italian cuisine.. .. Unfortunately not here...
David Blatter . 2024-01-15
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I place an order on uber eat pasta dish, to start the pasta is extremely hard! Inedible! Then I make it clear that I would like cutlery because I have nothing available... no cutlery, no salt! How do I eat with my hands? Already the pasta is hard I contacted a waiter who told me he was going to contact me again nothing! What a bluff! I paid 38 francs for a dish of hard pasta, it’s unacceptable sloppy work on orders! It's because I have no other choice to give 1 star but sincerely you deserve no stars!
Lala Fa . 2023-12-27
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Thanks to Bachir for this very warm welcome?
Slimen Belhocine . 2023-12-26
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Thanks to Bachir for his welcome and his professionalism, top of the top!!!
llee nna . 2023-12-26
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A reference Italian restaurant in Geneva, inevitable. In a magnificent setting
Joseph Ben . 2023-11-18
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Simply fantastic! One of my favorite places to go to for Tiramisu! Pizza is really good, but better variety at Luigia!
Sourabh Lal . 2023-11-15
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We were offered a plate of vegetables for the dish of the day and suggested adding a little raw ham and burrata. So I took their suggestion. The vegetable dish cost 18.-, they never announced that the burrata and raw ham cost 32.- more…. So that made for a daily special at 50.-. Very mean of them to “omit” this large part which costs 2x as much as the dish itself. In addition there was no seasoning and therefore little taste. Really very disappointed.
Rebecca H . 2023-11-14
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The food at ByLuigia is excellent, I rediscover the Italy that I love so much through certain specialties like Suppli. A special mention to Tiramisù! Vincenzo, the boss, is very welcoming and very kind. Thank you 👌Layla
liris c . 2023-10-28
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Highly disappointed with the byLUIGIA. I ordered a Margherita Pizza and I found meat on the pizza. I have informed them of this and they just replaced the pizza without even apologizing for the error they made.
Murty DINAVAHI . 2023-10-27
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I really like the food, always delicious, however I was a bit shocked that no one wears gloves when preparing the food, on top the cook who prepared my pasta was touching the pesto sauce with his fingers (without gloves) after which he licked his finger!!! I thought I will puke, it is not hygienic, highly suggest to insist on wearing gloves.
Tsvetina Comte . 2023-10-20
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Didn't taste as the usual taste used to at Luigia Geneva
Doumit AbiSaleh . 2023-08-18
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Great, very fast delicious and friendly staff I recommend 100%
Romina Sampino . 2023-07-24
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I order two pizzas and receive the ingredients separately… are you expecting me to make the pizza myself? Anything and what a huge disappointment.
Daryoush . 2023-07-23
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Much, much, much too expensive and I emphasize a lot. Between 4 and 6 times the price of the same dishes in Italy, but not as good, so not really worth it. At this price I think it's better to wait until you go to Italy to eat its real food!
AKUMERAI . 2023-06-18
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OK restaurant for a quick lunch
Arnaud Levet . 2023-06-06
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Very nice restaurant, good quality of food and cheap prices
simona sarnataro . 2023-06-05
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3 out of 5 rating is for the entire experience vs. the food. I decided to stop in one day for lunch when I was working from home. The restaurant wasn't busy, I was greeted right away, and everything was good. I put my order in for a pasta dish and this is where things went downhill. After about 30-45 minutes of waiting, I am told the pasta will take 10 more minutes. People who arrived after me have received their entrees and mains already. I assume my order was forgotten or something catastrophic happened and they had to restart the dish, maybe several times. In regards to the food itself, I don't have any major positive or negative comments. It tasted fine, but I was rushing to finish to get back to work, so I didn't really get to enjoy it. I have been to a couple other Lugia restaurants and the food has always been good.
Andrew Chamaj . 2023-05-29
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Very good pizza Beautiful, well decorated place Very welcoming and friendly staff I recommend !
lucie taillandier . 2023-05-25
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Finally ByLuigia arrived in the Confederation Centre à Genève...very nice design!
Luca Sansaro . 2023-05-25
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It's a Luigia so there are no bad surprises. No moments of ecstasy either. I go there for breakfast: real espresso and cappuccini and cornetti -croissants- perfect!
Flo K. . 2023-05-17
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Good Italian restaurant, very warm welcome, congratulations to the waitress
Jean Marc Erni . 2023-05-12
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Very good place for meetings in the center of Geneva
Yves Zieba . 2023-05-02
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We got sick the same evening when we returned. Food infection, I don't recommend this restaurant at all.
Dorcas Bolombo . 2023-05-02
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What we ordered was delicious! On the other hand, the service really leaves something to be desired... once our dishes were finished, the waitress (not very pleasant) never deigned to clear us... she walked behind us, ignoring us. After almost an hour of hoping she would clear us out and order dessert, we gave up and went to pay the bill.
Pauline R. . 2023-04-30
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A fantastic Italian restaurant, but the address is not correct in the website. It's only 100 meters distance far from the one it's mentioned, but for tourist without internet... Bit complicated!
Patricia MVall . 2023-04-29
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Good food, amateur, moody service.
nogol shir . 2023-04-27
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Walked-out after 30min of being IGNORED by staff. Arrived at today at 2.15pm. The gentleman with glasses showed us to a table in front of the bar, crammed between others, not accommodating to our request to sit on the other side of the restaurant where there was enough space for our stroller. Five minutes in, we were relocated to other side after getting up and telling him we were moving - he tried to stop us by saying there was a table of 16 on it’s way, I pointed to the table of two nearby. Once seated, the waitress in that part of restaurant refused to acknowledge our existence, refusing to make eye contact. Finally the table next to us asked for their coffee a second time, at which point she walked past shrugged her shoulders at them and without stopping ignored us again. This place has a great menu. Unfortunately after todays experience, we won’t be returning.
Evan Dean . 2023-04-22
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Please note that to book you must install an application on your mobile. No reservations taken over the phone, it sucks.
Emmanuel G . 2023-04-21
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Love it because of the fresh italian ingredients and even without a reservation they do the best to accomodate you.
Emanuel Costa . 2023-04-18
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A friendly and trendy place to taste Italian specialties. The dishes are well presented. The service is efficient and friendly. The atmosphere is quite “young”. Pay attention to the walk... you'll understand as you go.
Jean-Christophe CAMPET . 2023-04-16
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Never again... - Very slow service - The dishes arrived cold (for pasta it's not great) - The staff is not very pleasant - The dishes are good without more...
Maurice Linari . 2023-04-14
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an unforgettable experience quality products very experienced and qualified staff friendly and very accessible.
Aniello Ruggiero . 2023-04-11
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Endless waiting, glass of foam instead of a beer with ch’nis on the foam. Not professional server.
DDBUELL . 2023-04-06
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Aberrant and disappointing reservation system... I call at 11:15 a.m. to reserve a table for 12:30 p.m. I was told to book from the Luigia application. I download it and try to book but the times offered start at 6 p.m.... I call the restaurant back to tell them that I was unable to make my reservation and they tell me to come at 12:30 p.m. without a reservation because there will be room for a table of two. We arrive at 12:30 p.m.... and we find ourselves facing around ten people in the queue... we leave... This restaurant wasted our time....
AS . 2023-04-05
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Super good for a fast lunch. Delicious and not so expensive.
Marta Escribano Gonzalez . 2023-04-03
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This place never disappoints , by far best italian aperitivo in town
Bb S . 2023-04-02
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No, we had to wait too long, we waited 45 minutes for the waiter with glasses, not very friendly
leandro ianni . 2023-04-01
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Great location, food is nothing special, service is terrible, the blonde waitress is really not friendly.
Barbara . 2023-03-31
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We were very disappointed with the way we were treated by the waiter. We ordered 6 wraps and the waiter asked us if we wanted salad or vegetables to accompany, implying that it was included in the price. We weren't particularly interested in ordering anything else, but he made it clear that we had to choose between one of the two and so we ordered 3 salads and 3 vegetable dishes. When he brought one of the salads (4 lettuce leaves) and I asked him if it was the one that accompanied the piadina, he avoided answering me. When we saw the bill we realized that they were not included in the price of the piadina. We felt scammed. Never this place again.
Alberto Lanuza . 2023-03-27
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Well, but there is only one waitress during the lunch break and she doesn't know how to prioritize.
Ed. J. . 2023-03-22
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Good place. A little stressed at the service because they don't have time to spend time with customers. Forgetfulness and error. But it doesn't matter because the food is good.
Vince Colarelli . 2023-03-20
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Lots of waiting despite a reservation made on their application. High prices given the quality of the dishes
Pauline . 2023-03-13
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Very good sandwiches. Varied menu and reasonable prices for Geneva. Cozy place. I recommend
N S . 2023-03-13
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Spectacular pizza and pasta! Cozy and familiar place. It's not cheap for a pizzeria but this is Geneva
MGA . 2023-03-11
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Best spot in geneve for food and breakfast
alessandro capanna . 2023-03-08
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Very happy to have chosen to spend an evening at ByLú. We were welcomed kindly and in a very professional manner. The waiter who served us was very nice, friendly and made us feel comfortable. Extra good. Pizza alla pala very good. We were very satisfied with this dinner. We will definitely come back.
Teresa Merendino . 2023-03-08
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Delicious food, great service, beautiful restaurant
Mona B . 2023-03-08
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Cozy setting, food full of flavor BUT big problems in terms of service: waiting, clumsy, not to say incompetent, waiters.
Sarah L . 2023-03-04
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Very good dishes. Just a little expensive
Eloïse Biollu . 2023-02-27
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I ordered a Foccacia and a steak, the foccacia was very very good nothing to say 10/10, but then regarding the steak it is shameful of you to serve such a small steak at 39 fr, which has no taste and which is no thicker than the sole of a shoe with 5 fries running behind it, in short no interest it has nothing to do on your menu.
Arber Ibishi . 2023-02-25
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Highly recommended! Very good food and great service
Emanuele Castro . 2023-02-22
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We have been eating at ByLü by Luigia doing our stay in Genève lunch and dinner. We can highly recommend this restaurant we have tried several different dishes all of the dishes was exceptional delicious do drop by if you’re in Geneve one of the best restaurant in my opinion miss it already
whassup99 . 2023-02-18
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Terrible service, situation to be reviewed
Nihak . 2023-02-15
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The dishes were good, a little limited in quantity. The setting is pretty, service rather quick. A little expensive, but still affordable for Geneva.
Manon Quentin . 2023-02-14
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A desaster. Bar half empty and we waited over a quarter of an hour for 2 espressos. The waitress, snobbish and ineffective, absolutely pitiful. Experience to avoid.
YONY SANTOS . 2023-02-12
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Good but very stingy on quantities and not pleasant staff
soline florentin . 2023-02-04
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Unfortunately bad experience one evening. Waitress was very rude and cleared the dishes even though I hadn't finished eating. Too bad because the lunch service is very good. Very disappointed with the Tiramisu on the other hand because it is made with tea biscuits….. bad! What a disappointment for tiramisu lovers. The tiramisu deserves 1 star…
Lucie Liu . 2023-01-29
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Divine ! Arriving in Geneva around 10 p.m., a stone's throw from the city center, we entered without much conviction due to the late schedule, and without waiting more than a second we were already warmly welcomed and seated at a table. The servers were perfect and gave us very good advice. We had three pizzas and a burger. Service a little long, but the wait was very very very worth it. Pizzas with very large dough, crispy as you wish. Just perfect ! I have rarely eaten such good pizza. Very sincerely ! I recommend 1000 times. I'm going to work in Geneva for a few months and would definitely be a very good client. In France, a service like that would not have been possible.
Jules Marmet . 2023-01-22
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Very bad experience. We found a piece of glass in the pizza that a friend of ours almost chewed. Upon our complaints, the owner thought it was enough not to make us pay for the pizza in question and one of the desserts we had consumed. Furthermore, the total did not correspond to what was requested at the time of payment. When we pointed this out, the owner, a certain Enzo, pointed out to us in a contemptuous manner that it was a small amount of stuff, but a little or a lot does not justify either the error or the methods.
Marco C . 2023-01-18
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Possibly the worst pizza in Geneva, but good chocolate. Don't eat here, but try the thick chocolate. Let's start with pizza from Genève, but with good chocolate. Don't eat there, but try the thick chocolate. Maybe the worst pizza in Geneva, but good chocolate. Don't eat here, but try the thick chocolate. Enjoy the delicious Pizza in Genf, near the Schokolade. Essen Sie hier nicht, aber probieren Sie den Chocolato Denso.
The Law Office of Dr Curtis FJ Doebbler . 2023-01-17
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A family dinner just before Christmas that we regretted. No one finished their plate: uncooked shrimp on a cold salad, no seasoning, a grilled octopus undercooked and almost cold, a very ordinary bruscetta etc… when we mentioned it to the waiter, it didn't seem not concern him. In addition, we were seated at metal tables intended for the outside without placemats or extremely cold tablecloths. So I cannot recommend this restaurant and we will not return.
Ellen Molliet . 2023-01-08
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Terrible quality of food. Croissants tasted as if they were there for at least 2/3 days, the rest was no better…
Evgenia Pilyavina . 2023-01-07
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Nice guys, nice food, nice location. For me one in Geneva one of the best place with quality/price ratio! Try tiramisu and nerano pasta ;)
Franco Maria Facecchia . 2023-01-04
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A bit expensive the apero plate. Would be great to mention that there is meat and which kind in the nuggets. For example, I thought it was fried cheese
Feleje Manohu . 2023-01-01
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Very well managed I recommend the pizza dough is excellent
Claudia Mois . 2022-12-30
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Great italian well located, great atmosphere and fair prices for Geneva center, together with a warm service and fresh ingredients add to build a great experience
Pedro H. Colombo . 2022-12-30
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ALERT, do not go to this restaurant, the state of the kitchen and factory is waste, the hygiene inspection should take a look, these are very serious, you should denounce such a place, this is not to appear alarmist, but flee and clearly send the hygiene inspector because people do not know what he eats in these shameful on the surface at the top these clean at the bottom these the waste museum there kitchen and other an organization worthy of a nightmare in the kitchen if you value your health do not eat down there ZERO STAR
victor chevalier le suisse (ECM47) . 2022-12-23
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Very nice place in Geneva close to the city center
Véronique Aubry . 2022-12-22
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Watch out for the murderous march near the exit...
Goca . 2022-12-22
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seriously good pizza, lovely setting but awful service. (It seemed to me that our waitress had not a single taste for hospitality and making guests happy). She didn't say hello, nor did she smiled at any given time and was frankly unkind (the rest of the party agreed with me)...
The people’s pirate . 2022-12-12
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It’s a nice establishment in the city… the dishes are quite correct and the prices too, for Geneva. The service is not impeccable, of course, but far from incorrect.
Greg Schweiz . 2022-12-08
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A warm and professional welcome, quality and varied cuisine, very kind and friendly staff. Nice setting, central. I can only advise
Laura . 2022-11-24
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Unsmiling waiter, who doesn't listen to what is asked of him, disappointing. Kitchen we took the drink + board offer not bad. I do not recommend this establishment.
Marie-Louz P . 2022-11-19
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The food is very good, nice atmosphere, On the other hand, the music is a little loud...
Corinne Angelè . 2022-11-06
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Bad experience...the pizza was cold and served in a wooden dish...already used many times! In addition, in the middle of the meal the music had increased in volume to the point where we could no longer hear us...at the request of the waiter or the master of the room, the volume was reduced but not for long, as soon as we had finished eating, he plays the music very loudly again. Nice for the atmosphere but not cool eating..😥 the impression is that we had disturbed the workers...!
deyse braga . 2022-11-02
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Tasty sandwiches and fast service. Gets quite busy and loud beat music.
Viesturs Zariņš . 2022-10-15
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3 people serving including one at the bar on a busy Friday evening is not enough, wait far too long for a restaurant of this kind
Louis Niquille . 2022-10-07
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Tasty lunch and fast service. Many business customers. We found a spot, but others had to wait at the bar.
C De Jong . 2022-09-30
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2nd time at bylu what can I say exquisite
Gianni Zaghetto . 2022-09-27
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Like feeling at home in Geneva, everything is excellent and tasty
Isabella Bonetto . 2022-09-26
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Simple menu but good execution. Great with kids. Pizzas, pasta and salads were good
B D . 2022-09-25
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Very nice setting, the staff is friendly, although not as responsive as at Luigia. The food is good and the pasta is cooked al dente, however the portions are tiny which is disappointing considering the price of the dishes.
Raphael B. . 2022-09-15
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Refined dish, reasonable price, I recommend
Romain Jourdan . 2022-09-12
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Bad experience: we waited a long time to be served, the request to remove the onions from the dish was not taken into account, the tartare was not seasoned (there was only the raw meat, 3 leaves of salad and bread), the lobster was undercooked, barely seared, you have to pay for tap water and the bill at the end was downright salty. To forget.
Julien Coron . 2022-08-24
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Very delicious food...Good varieties of Italian wine..lovely atmosphere
Jumana SUN . 2022-08-21
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Avoid, second time I went to this restaurant and always a lot of waiting with table service, the waiters seem not to look at you and what's more, I said it was my birthday and I'm came to celebrate there with a friend, Thursday 04/08. Not even a gesture from them (a small cake or ice cream with a candle) a little thing, it shocked me so much that I only have bad memories of this restaurant. The first time we were there was for the staff evening in December and also a bad memory, the service leaves something to be desired and the servers were very unsmiling. Finally to be avoided!!!! The best is to go to the real Luigia, much better
Ana Clara Duarte Lins . 2022-08-19
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Very nice decor and very good pizza and reasonable prices.
anthony_travel_photography ' . 2022-08-13
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Beautiful design. The food was beautifully prepared. Very good food.
Nick . 2022-08-10
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Deplorable welcome...claims no service and serves everyone inside except me! People clear their tables themselves...at the expense of drinks, it's shameful
Raffaela Torello . 2022-08-09
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Very good although a little expensive
Nino Bgnhbr . 2022-08-08
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Good product and pleasant setting.
Marc Friedli . 2022-08-05
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I had a fantastic dinner here- the pasta was very fresh and flavourful, beautifully presented. The tiramisu was very traditional and delicious. A highlight meal from my trip, would come back if I visit the city again.
Emily B . 2022-07-27
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